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Saucy Saucy said...
No a Muppet is more of a marionette hence the M before uppet that's why they call it a muppet marionette puppet
comment posted on  26th February 2012 at 12:52  permalink image  Permalink
@Saucy,

While I understand that some people hold that view, it isn't a correct one:

1. Had you taken the time to read the article, you might have noticed I dealt with this common myth. Links in the article go to Straight Dope and Muppet Wiki, which show that Henson himself contradicts the reason and origin of the word 'muppet'. Sometimes he said he liked the sound of the word, sometimes he said it was a combination of two words (marionette and puppet). Given that he couldn't keep his own story straight, I think it's best to dismiss both ideas and just take the word as invented by him for an unknown reason.

2. Most puppeteers would not consider muppets to be marionettes. It's a little more complicated than this but for the purposes of keeping this short: a marionette is usually a puppet with strings. A Muppet or muppet-type puppet does not use strings (except in rare cases for keeping arms from dangling or for a cable-control system). As such, yes, we can and do differentiate muppets from marionettes. They're *not* the same thing, particularly when talking about building methodology.

3. For the benefit of good and easy communication, communities who take part in the same activity often have their own definitions. For instance, in the theatrical world, we call a false wall on a set a 'flat'. This term is understood to all theatre people, but it won't make any sense to a lay person. However, in a theatrical environment having specialised terminology aids easy and clear communication. The same goes for puppeteers, and as a community, we seem to have defined 'muppet' to be of a different style and build as a 'marionette'. In this case, it doesn't matter so much about the origin of the word, but the way in which people use it once it's invented. Kind of like how 'google' is now a verb - even though it was never intended as such. Puppets can cross-categorise. All of the above is entirely dependent on how 'muppet-y' a muppet is and how 'marionette-y' a marionette is. However, this is why it's important to use the same definition as everyone else: if everything cross-categorises, then we have no way to easily and clearly discuss how something is built or used. While puppetry itself is more flexible than its definitions, our ability to communicate isn't and it's why we like strong definitions and categories. It helps us to know that a marionette in its current use is not the same as a muppet.

4. In all my reading of books, online articles, discussions with other puppeteers, attendances at festivals/shows/events, workshops, and constant work within puppetry... I've never *ever* heard anyone call it a 'muppet marionette puppet'. Two words in that phrase are redundant. (This is why it's complicated: 'marionette' is just a non-English word for 'puppet'. So 'marionette' is redundant too. Saying 'muppet puppet' is kind of like saying poodle dog. It's understood that most people who refer to a poodle are referring to a type of dog, so the use of the word 'dog' is redundant) I'd be curious to know where you picked this phrase up and why you think it's used by professional puppeteers. Do you have a reference for its use?

To conclude: Henson himself contradicts the origin and use of the word; marionettes do not look or work like muppets; defining the two as separate designs aids communication of ideas; it's never been called what you think it's called as far as I'm aware; and lastly.... it's more complicated than that.

However, thanks for bringing up a point overlooked in the article: I've now updated it to include this explanation.
comment posted on  26th February 2012 at 20:54  permalink image  Permalink
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